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  • Nasser95
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    Originariamente Scritto da Sly83 Visualizza Messaggio
    https://youtu.be/8mtKUXy7wwA

    penso possa interessare molti.
    sly, ma se uno si trasferisce a montecarlo, non risolve definitivamente, sti problemi del pagare le tasse ?
    (ride)

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    • Arturo Bandini
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      montecarlo sei sicuro non tassi le crippo? sapevo portogallo e san salvador ad esempio

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      • Sly83
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        Penso che i prerequisiti per un trasferimento nel principato di Monaco possano dispensare da ogni preoccupazione di quel tipo



        Originariamente Scritto da Giampo93
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        • Lorenzo993
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          Originariamente Scritto da Arturo Bandini Visualizza Messaggio
          è un po' lungo... bisogna dichiarare qualcosa entro fine anno?
          ma tu non stai sopra i 51k?

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          • Sly83
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            The greatest peacetime surge in household wealth

            Household net worth in the United States has increased USD25 trillion since end-2019, or nearly 115% of GDP

            Chris MarshOct 25
            • During the pandemic, US household wealth increased by the largest amount since records began in the 1950s—taking household net worth above six times GDP for the first time;

            • While the increase in wealth in money form has been exceptional, this is dwarfed by the increase in the value of non-financial assets (e.g., housing stock) and non-monetary financial assets (such as equities);
            • The post-pandemic situation contrasts starkly with the destruction of household wealth that accompanied the GFC—setting up a very different economic cycle ahead;
            • A caveat: There are clearly distributional concerns about these gains. We discuss only aggregate household wealth here—postponing to later consideration of who benefitted the most and how to make sure this wealth effect will trickle down to lower income households.

            The exceptional policy response during the pandemic has facilitated the largest ever peacetime expansion in household wealth in the United States (US).
            It is well documented that monetary saving accumulated during the lockdown, the counterpart to fiscal deficits and Fed money printing, is now contributing to household spending on durable goods and inflation. But surprisingly, these savings represent only a small fraction of the increase in household wealth since the pandemic, as documented in the Flow of Funds Accounts of the United States.
            Over the 18 months through June 2021, household net worth in the US increased USD24.8 trillion (114.5% of GDP). And since June, of course, equities, house prices, and money creation have increased net worth further still.
            Household assets increased USD26 trillion over the period through June, offset by only a mild increase in liabilities during the pandemic.
            Amongst the hierarchy of household assets, currency and deposits—the counterpart to fiscal deficits and money printing—increased USD3.3 trillion since end-2019, whereas non-monetary assets (such as housing) increased in value by USD6.2 trillion and equity and investment fund shares increased USD14.1 trillion.
            The increase in money assets over the period contrasts with a USD5.1 trillion increase in M2 which includes deposits by non-financial corporates and other sectors.
            Within the Flow of Funds reporting, money saving represents only a small part of the surge in household wealth since the pandemic.

            This time is different
            The household wealth effect of the pandemic is remarkable indeed.
            Whereas the Great Financial Crisis (GFC) saw the destruction of household net worth (the bursting of a housing bubble) of about 70% of GDP in the 3 years through mid-2009, laying the ground for liquidity trap-like conditions, the Great Pandemic has seen household net worth increase about 120% of GDP in about half the time.
            Consider this: Over the five quarters since 2020Q1, net worth of US households has increased on average by 29% of 2019 GDP each quarter.
            This has driven household net worth in the US to above 6 times GDP for the first time since records began while the ratio of assets to liabilities has reached 9 for the first time since the early-1970s.

            Money is special
            Still, while relatively small, the monetary part of this improved net wealth—and a truer expression of new saving as opposed to valuation gains—is special. Why? It is not price sensitive. That is, if all households try to simultaneously spend their monetary saving they don’t lose their nominal value. The hot potato is simply passed on to someone else within the community. But if all households tried to cash in on their equity holdings or their housing wealth at the same time, the price of these assets would adjust down until the transaction was no longer worthwhile.
            So money is special amongst the asset gains during the pandemic.
            However, although the money passed within the community does not change in nominal value in the act of spending, the real value of money does adjust down through upward price level adjustment. Any attempt by households to spend increases the price of goods and services—or inflation—owing to their scarcity until the real value money balances is restored to some level consistent with portfolio preferences of households once more.
            Hence macroeconomists have historically assigned a special role to money balances amongst the assets of households—which ought to draw special scrutiny right now owing to the enormous increase in saving in money form during the pandemic.
            And this money is extra special
            But there is more.
            Typical increases in broad money aggregates, such as in the early 2000s, are associated with the expansion of household and corporate debt—as money creation is the counterpart to bank lending to private entities. It represents spending on real goods and services or non-financial assets at the time the loan was taken out; but the loan itself still has to be serviced, weighing on future spending in the process.
            The nature of money creation during this cycle as the counterpart to fiscal deficits during the pandemic makes it an asset but not a direct liability of the private sector—it is indirectly a liability through government taxation, of course.
            And because it is an outside asset for the private sector, the money created during the pandemic, together with the valuation gains on other assets, has the potential to drive an exceptionally strong recovery—as we are witnessing.
            Notice above how M2 in the US typically lags inflation. The monetary surge this time has preceded the cyclical bounce and inflation. Quite how this plays out from here is not clear. But it’s difficult not to conclude that, compared to 2008/09, this time is different.
            END.



            Originariamente Scritto da Giampo93
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            • Sly83
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              Originariamente Scritto da Sly83 Visualizza Messaggio
              The greatest peacetime surge in household wealth

              Household net worth in the United States has increased USD25 trillion since end-2019, or nearly 115% of GDP

              Chris MarshOct 25
              • During the pandemic, US household wealth increased by the largest amount since records began in the 1950s—taking household net worth above six times GDP for the first time;

              • While the increase in wealth in money form has been exceptional, this is dwarfed by the increase in the value of non-financial assets (e.g., housing stock) and non-monetary financial assets (such as equities);
              • The post-pandemic situation contrasts starkly with the destruction of household wealth that accompanied the GFC—setting up a very different economic cycle ahead;
              • A caveat: There are clearly distributional concerns about these gains. We discuss only aggregate household wealth here—postponing to later consideration of who benefitted the most and how to make sure this wealth effect will trickle down to lower income households.

              The exceptional policy response during the pandemic has facilitated the largest ever peacetime expansion in household wealth in the United States (US).
              It is well documented that monetary saving accumulated during the lockdown, the counterpart to fiscal deficits and Fed money printing, is now contributing to household spending on durable goods and inflation. But surprisingly, these savings represent only a small fraction of the increase in household wealth since the pandemic, as documented in the Flow of Funds Accounts of the United States.
              Over the 18 months through June 2021, household net worth in the US increased USD24.8 trillion (114.5% of GDP). And since June, of course, equities, house prices, and money creation have increased net worth further still.
              Household assets increased USD26 trillion over the period through June, offset by only a mild increase in liabilities during the pandemic.
              Amongst the hierarchy of household assets, currency and deposits—the counterpart to fiscal deficits and money printing—increased USD3.3 trillion since end-2019, whereas non-monetary assets (such as housing) increased in value by USD6.2 trillion and equity and investment fund shares increased USD14.1 trillion.
              The increase in money assets over the period contrasts with a USD5.1 trillion increase in M2 which includes deposits by non-financial corporates and other sectors.
              Within the Flow of Funds reporting, money saving represents only a small part of the surge in household wealth since the pandemic.

              This time is different
              The household wealth effect of the pandemic is remarkable indeed.
              Whereas the Great Financial Crisis (GFC) saw the destruction of household net worth (the bursting of a housing bubble) of about 70% of GDP in the 3 years through mid-2009, laying the ground for liquidity trap-like conditions, the Great Pandemic has seen household net worth increase about 120% of GDP in about half the time.
              Consider this: Over the five quarters since 2020Q1, net worth of US households has increased on average by 29% of 2019 GDP each quarter.
              This has driven household net worth in the US to above 6 times GDP for the first time since records began while the ratio of assets to liabilities has reached 9 for the first time since the early-1970s.

              Money is special
              Still, while relatively small, the monetary part of this improved net wealth—and a truer expression of new saving as opposed to valuation gains—is special. Why? It is not price sensitive. That is, if all households try to simultaneously spend their monetary saving they don’t lose their nominal value. The hot potato is simply passed on to someone else within the community. But if all households tried to cash in on their equity holdings or their housing wealth at the same time, the price of these assets would adjust down until the transaction was no longer worthwhile.
              So money is special amongst the asset gains during the pandemic.
              However, although the money passed within the community does not change in nominal value in the act of spending, the real value of money does adjust down through upward price level adjustment. Any attempt by households to spend increases the price of goods and services—or inflation—owing to their scarcity until the real value money balances is restored to some level consistent with portfolio preferences of households once more.
              Hence macroeconomists have historically assigned a special role to money balances amongst the assets of households—which ought to draw special scrutiny right now owing to the enormous increase in saving in money form during the pandemic.
              And this money is extra special
              But there is more.
              Typical increases in broad money aggregates, such as in the early 2000s, are associated with the expansion of household and corporate debt—as money creation is the counterpart to bank lending to private entities. It represents spending on real goods and services or non-financial assets at the time the loan was taken out; but the loan itself still has to be serviced, weighing on future spending in the process.
              The nature of money creation during this cycle as the counterpart to fiscal deficits during the pandemic makes it an asset but not a direct liability of the private sector—it is indirectly a liability through government taxation, of course.
              And because it is an outside asset for the private sector, the money created during the pandemic, together with the valuation gains on other assets, has the potential to drive an exceptionally strong recovery—as we are witnessing.
              Notice above how M2 in the US typically lags inflation. The monetary surge this time has preceded the cyclical bounce and inflation. Quite how this plays out from here is not clear. But it’s difficult not to conclude that, compared to 2008/09, this time is different.
              END.



              Questi sono i numeri delle forze in campo.
              Lato retail, ma mi permetto di dire anche lato risparmio gestito (patrimonio di piccoli e grandi investitori), non esistono ragioni a sostegno di un imminente crollo.

              Scorporando per anagrafica, la stragrande maggioranza dei capitali investiti da retail e’ in capo a boomers, quella generazione cioe’ che ancora non e’ nella fase di erosione della propria ricchezza (magari pero” vi e’ prossima..), e che pertanto non ha motivo, in un periodo come questo per giunta di bassissimi tassi, di disinvestire.

              Dall’altro lato vi sono anche i millennials che hanno assoluta necessita’ di incrementare il proprio patrimonio.

              Due forze vedrei quindi, sinergiche: l’una che non ha interesse a uscire (serviranno tassi alti per passare all’obbligazionario), l’altra che ha tutto l’interesse a incrementare.

              L’inflazione potrebbe essere un incentivo alla crescita del mercato azionario (soldi fermi sono soldi persi) FINTANTO CHE I TASSI NON RENDERANNO CONVENIENTE SPOSTARSI VERSO I BOND.

              Il mercato, per ora, potrebbe non aver trovato motivo per scendere.
              Last edited by Sly83; 11-12-2021, 23:43:25.



              Originariamente Scritto da Giampo93
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              • The_machine
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                Originariamente Scritto da Arturo Bandini
                l'ho suddiviso su 3 wallet in parti uguali su indicazione del commercialista
                Non conta il numero di wallet, ma chi li possiede

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                • The_machine
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                  Originariamente Scritto da Arturo Bandini
                  chiaro: io, mia madre, la mia ragazza
                  Non credo che tua madre abbia acquistato le crypto facendo il bonifico sull'exchange

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                  • Ponno
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                    Mazza oh bullarsi di parassitare lo stato per non pagare le tasse salvo poi avere gli infissi di cartone. Ottimo cosi!

                    Inviato dal mio Mi 9T Pro utilizzando Tapatalk
                    Originariamente Scritto da claudio96

                    sigpic
                    più o meno il triplo

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                    • The_machine
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                      Vabbè gliel'ho chiesto io

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                      • Arturo Bandini
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                        ***** vuoi non mi bullo di niente ho risposto a una domanda e aggiungo che chi ha la possibilità dovrebbe fare come me dato che non è una scappatoia ma una cosa espressamente consentita dalla legge

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                        • Ponno
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                          Ah è espressamente consentito dalla legge di usare presta nome?


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                          Originariamente Scritto da claudio96

                          sigpic
                          più o meno il triplo

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                          • Arturo Bandini
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                            Originariamente Scritto da Ponno Visualizza Messaggio
                            Ah è espressamente consentito dalla legge di usare presta nome?


                            Inviato dal mio Mi 9T Pro utilizzando Tapatalk
                            Guardati questo video. Verso la fine dice espressamente di spezzettare i wallet tra famigliari in quanto la legge lo consente

                            Last edited by Arturo Bandini; 12-12-2021, 01:01:17.

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                            • The_machine
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                              ahah perché hai cancellato tutto Art? Temi davvero così tanto di pagare forse quei 5k di euro in tasse?

                              Li avevi spesi per una crosta di quadro e darli allo stato invece ti fa orrore

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                              • Arturo Bandini
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                                hai visto mai che qualche infame...

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