Mr. OLYMPIA 2015 - categorie Open & 212 libbre

[AndryPata90]

Ha fatto benissimo. Immagino la vagonata di fake, troll e gentaglia varia che magari lo accusa sulla questione di KAI e giustamente non ha voglia di rispondere e di vedersi mila e mila notifiche sul proprio account Instagram.

[Perrots]

Scelta azzeccatissima!

[Giama]

Ha fatto benissimo, stare concentrati al 100% evitando pettegolezzi, commenti e robe simili. Qui si vede la mentalità da campione, il suo obbiettivo é vincere, tutto il resto é una perdita di tempo.


Secondo voi nella conferenza al primo giorno (quando fanno un intervista assieme a tutti gli atleti) chiederanno qualcosa riguardante Kai o cercheranno di non toccare l'argomento?

[AndryPata90]

JOSE RAYMOND - arm workout a week before The Olympia 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g8xS72LPdQ

some posing practice and a back workout with Evan Centopani at Montanari Bro. Powerhouse Gym in New Haven, CT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haWqWLEf-X8&feature=youtu.be

[Gore]

Ho a casa un vecchio libro fotografico e tecnico di Tom Platz...beh c'è una foto...dove lui fa la leg ext con un carico sovrumano didascalia "Tom il giorno prima del MR.0 197ecc..." Io all'epoca rimasi cosi' Boh...magari la didascalia è sbagliata o era una cazzata.
Cmq davvero anomala come cosa.

potrebbe essere vero ... ma onestamente c'è da dire che Tom Platz aveva gambe da paura nei vari photo shooting ma andate a vedere i Mr.O dove ha partecipato... praticamente ha sempre le cosce lisce :fc4

[Alberto84]

Ha fatto benissimo, stare concentrati al 100% evitando pettegolezzi, commenti e robe simili. Qui si vede la mentalità da campione, il suo obbiettivo é vincere, tutto il resto é una perdita di tempo.


Secondo voi nella conferenza al primo giorno (quando fanno un intervista assieme a tutti gli atleti) chiederanno qualcosa riguardante Kai o cercheranno di non toccare l'argomento?

Bob Chich ha detto in generale, senza parlare in specifico della conferenza stampa,ke cercare di capire come la cosa è andata, ma che cmq ovviamente vorrà incentrare la conversazione sugli atleti che sono lì.

[Baldo65]

A quando la conferenza stampa?

[Flame(]

Io sono curioso di vedere la forma di Cedric, ha una bella genetica e mi piace molto come posa, però non si è mai presentato al top, spero che le parole che Arnold gli ha dedicato gli diano uno scossone e una botta di fiducia per fare almeno 1-2 anni al top, perchè con la genetica che ha e per come posa, se si presenta al top può seriamente puntare al primo posto.
Anche la forma di Winklaar mi interessa molto, è un tipo che mi piace, volumi notevoli, belle braccia ma una genetica che ha i suoi difetti, spero che rispetto all'anno scorso dove si presentò con una forma pessima a causa di problemi durante la preparazione, quest'anno si presenti con una buona forma.
E infine Big Ramy che lo seguo da anni, su di lui c'è poco da discutere, bisogna solo attendere per il suo dominio che a parer mio ruberà un po' la parte del super big a coleman, sono curioso di vedere come si presenterà a questo olympia, ripeto, secondo me quest'anno il primo posto non ci arriva, ma se si presenta in buona forma può far cagare in mano Phil per il prossimo MO.

[menphisdaemon]

Farah ho postato oggi un video, ma la felpa su manco ci fossero 3°!
Riguarda la poltrona gambe e vedere che allenamento fai: ovvio che non puoi fare un ad altissime ripetizioni che crei uno stato edematoso


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[Alberto84]

Non mi insultate, ma vorrei discutere una cosa. In pratica Dallas McCarver segue una dieta a 4800-4900 Kcal (580 g solo da carbs) dal martedi' alla gara di sabato, con qualche aggiustamento giorno giorno. Nonostante noi non conosciamo i retroscena, c'e' secondo me un rischio di spillover (che si sfori) molto alto. Gore, Memphis e voi ragazzi che ne sapete un minimo di prep, come la vedete?

[AndryPata90]

Alberto e gli altri che leggono e risponderanno, se vi può essere utile nel thread presente nel forum USA potete trovare i vari update alla dieta fatti...riguardando velocemente i post DALLAS non è mai sceso a quote glucidiche davvero basse.

UPDATE:
Vi riassumo velocemente IN ORDINE i post riguardante l'alimentazione che ha postato e relativi macros dove presenti.

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Wanted to give you guys some insight as to where Dallas is at with his nutrition right now. This is for him a "pushing phase" as his calories are somewhat low right now (relatively speaking) with the goal of being able to eat into the show which is something that is pretty typical for Dallas as he is able to handle a good bit of food. Some of the challenges that we have been having to work through is fine tuning sources as some digestive issues have flared up with certain sources of protein so his diet is changing frequently at this point in order to stay on top of and progress through these issues. Fish and whey is not sitting well right now so it has been removed from his current diet. He is fortunate to have the support of BSN, a local food company here in KY called Nutriject meals as well as skinny beef and lanas egg whites so those are where these sources of protein are coming from.


Macros – 90 Fat / 295 Carbs / 430 Protein


Pre Cardio AM/PM
10g Glutamine DNA Formula
15g BCAA Amino X


Meal 1
80g – Oats Raw measure
300g – Egg Whites
2 Whole Organic Eggs
2oz – Chicken cooked
3g – Omega 3
10g – Flax Seeds
1 grazed greens forumla shake


Meal 2 – Pre Training Meal
210g – Jasmine Rice cooked
8oz – Steak Cooked
3oz – Spinach cooked


Start to sip on way to gym:
30g –BCAA AMINO X
2g glycerol
3g Citrulline Malate
3g creatine
10g glutamine
2g beta alanine.


Post workout Shake
50g Carbs Powder Dextrin/Potato Starch complex
20g BCAA Amino X


Meal 3 – Post Meal
210g – Jasmine Rice Cooked
4oz – Chicken cooked
4oz – Skinny beef cooked


Meal 4
4 – Slices of Ezekiel Bread
50g – Avocado
8oz – Chicken/99% ground turkey/Turkey tenderloin Cooked


Meal 5
14g – Olive Or Mac Nut oil
8oz – Skinny Beef Cooked or bison cooked
3oz – Green Vegetable (spinach, broccoli, asparagus)


Meal 6
2 Whole Organic Eggs
6oz – Turkey or Chicken Cooked
3oz – Raw spinach cooked
2 omega
1 grazed greens forumla shake
10g – Flax Seed




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Making some slight changes today, everything is really coming along well. Fullness is intact, training performance is good and strength is increasing. These changes are more so a fine tuning of sources and changing out some fat sources to get some more mono unsaturated sources of fats within the diet. I generally like to keep fats intact within the diet (under the assumed goals) as high as possible for several reasons but mainly for health / lipid integrity as well as fullness/performance/mental function. Refeeds at this point are not pre planned but on a needs basis, its not like every saturday is a refeed rather just as we see fit.


Diet: 8/2/2015


o Macros – 75 Fat / 300 Carbs / 410 Protein


o Pre Cardio
10g Glutamine (DNA series)
15g BCAA (amino x)


o Meal 1
80g – Oats Raw measure
450g – Lanas Egg Whites
2 Whole Organic Eggs
3g – Omega 3's
10g – Flax Seed blend
Greens formula


Meal 2 – Pre Training Meal
210g – Jasmine Rice cooked
8oz – Sirloin Cooked
3oz – Spinach cooked
(provided by nutriject meals)


INTRA:
30g –BCAA (Amino X)
2g glycerol
3g Citrulline Malate
3g creatine
10g glutamine
2g beta alanine.


Post workout Shake
50g HBCD/Potato Starch Blend
20g BCAA


Meal 3 – Post Meal
210g – Jasmine Rice Cooked
8oz – Chicken breast
(provided by nutriject meals)


Meal 4
70g – Cream of Rice
16g – Almond Butter or Peanut Butter
8oz – Skinny Beef Cooked


Meal 5
8oz – Chicken or turkey 99% Fat Free Cooked
50g – Avocado
3oz – Green Vegetable (spinach, broccoli, asparagus)


Meal 6
2 Whole Organic Eggs
450g – Lanas Egg Whites
3oz – Raw spinach cooked
2 omega
1 Greens Formula
10g – Flax Seed blend



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Latest Diet changes are below. Hunger levels are starting to really increase so for the sake of satiety post workout shake has changed to a cream of rice meal with whey at the gym which has been fun to just be able to eat and relax following training. Also adding in some more carbs later on in the day for several reasons as we are going day by day based off of feel, energy levels ect but going to start doing some 2 a day training days on the less demanding body parts as a means to increase nutrient partitioning and reduce cardio duration for the day. Tomorrow will be shoulders/traps am and arms pm.


oPre Cardio
10g Glutamine
15g BCAA


oMeal 1
80g – Oats Raw measure
60g – Whey Isolate
3g – Omega 3
10g – Flax


oMeal 2 – Pre Training Meal
210g – Jasmine Rice cooked
8oz – Sirloin Cooked
3oz – Spinach cooked


o Pre Training 10g Glutamine / 15g bcaa


INTRA:
20g –BCAA
2g glycerol
3g Citrulline Malate
3g creatine
10g glutamine
2g beta alanine.


o Post workout
60g – Cream of rice raw Measure
60g – Whey Isolate


o Meal 3 – Post Meal
210g – Jasmine Rice Cooked
10oz – Tilapia or Mahi Cooked


o Meal 4
80g – Oats Raw Measure
8oz – Skinny Beef Cooked


o Meal 5
8oz –Mexican Slow Cooked Chicken
3oz – Green Vegetable (spinach, broccoli, asparagus)
2 - Food For life Brown Rice Tortilla Wraps


o 1 Mens – Probiotic Prior to last meal


o Meal 6
8oz – Chicken Cooked or Turkey Cooked
3oz – Green Vegetable (spinach, broccoli, asparagus)
1 greens shake
10g - Flax



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MATT JANSEN: "I am personally not a a huge fan of carb cycling, not saying at times there is not merit or that it does not work but I like to keep as many variables as consistent as possible so you can monitor changes within a stable environment, if the environment is always changing its much harder to determine what's working and what's not. Plus with someone like Dallas I do not want him eating less than needed within the goal. If he's progressing on a set consistent diet I don't see a reason to lower food on certain days just because.


Last week he had both a high carb calculated day where his intake around training with his carbs doubled for both his pre / post 1 and post 2 meals.


Saturday he had more of an untracked refeed the last few hours of the night eating as Much he needed without over doing it letting his true hunger response and digestion dictate intake. "



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Training and Diet update from today:


Its been a while since I have posted a diet update so this is where we are at today post refeed day yesterday.




Meal 1
200g Lanas Egg Whites
5oz Ground turkey (chili seasoned from nutriject)
1.5 ezekiel cinnamon raisin english muffins


Meal 2 - Pre Training meal
8 oz bison flank steak
300g purple potatoes


30g BCAA intra / 10g Glutamine - for both training sessions


Meal 3
60g Cream of Rice
60g Whey Isolate


Meal 4 - Pre training meal
10oz lean white fish (mahi or tilapia mostly)
210g Jasmine Rice


Meal 5 - Post Workout
60g Whey Isolate
3 Lundburg brown rice rice cakes (14g carbs per)


Meal 6
8oz Chicken
300g purple potatoes


Meal 7
8 oz Turkey
75g spinach
2 slices food for life bread



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Current macros :
Carbs - 354
Fat - 39
Protein - 495
That's counting indirect protein sources as well. Total cals at 3,738




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New Diet
Macros – 45 / 280 / 480 - August 18
2 gallons water a day.
Sea Salt all meals


Upon Waking
10g Glutamine
15g BCAA
1 Mens – Probiotic


Meal 1
80g – Oats Raw measure
60g – Microfiltered Whey Isolate
3g – Omega 3


Meal 2
8oz – Bison or Beef Sirloin Cooked
40g – Avocado
3oz – Spinach




Meal 3 - Pre workout Meal
140g – Jasmine Rice Cooked
150g – Pineapple
8oz – Chicken Cooked


§ INTRA:
30g –BCAA
10g glutamine




Post workout (at gym)
80g – COR Raw Measure
60g – Micro filtered Whey Isolate


Meal 4 – Post workout meal
200g – Lanas Egg Whites
140g – Ground turkey
400g – Alexia Hashed Browns


Meal 5
8oz –Chicken Cooked
3oz – Green Vegetable (spinach, asparagus)
40g – Oats raw measure


1 Mens – Probiotic Prior to last meal


Meal 6
200g – Lanas Egg Whites
140g – Ground Turkey cooked
75g – asparagus



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Getting caught up from the weekend. Yesterday was a higher day, at this point in prep we are wanting to keep as many variables consistent as possible. I am viewing these refeeds as a mini snap shot into what Dallas will need in terms of loading for the show so making a point to make note of food sources used and what is digesting well for him, minimizing bloat which is crucial. Now I am not saying that we will not use any more cheats as there very might come a point where that is needed due to a large drop in weight or just as a means to aid in pulling him out of hole but I am also aiming to use every day as a means to gather as much data as we can.


Meal 1
115g - Oats raw measure
1 Whole Egg
140g - Nutriject Turkey Chili
150g - Lanas Egg Whites


Meal 2:
7oz - Sirloin cooked
40g - Avocado
140g - Jasmine Rice
2 slices of ezekiel bread


Meal 3
210g - Jasmine Rice
150g - Pineapple
7oz - Chicken Cooked


Intra -
20g - BCAA
10g - Glutamine


Post Workout
2 Thomas Bagels
50g - Whey Isolate


Meal 4
280g - Jasmine Rice
140g - Nutriject Turkey Chili
150g - Lanas Egg Whites


Meal 5
7oz - Chicken
100g - Oats
75g - Asparagus


Meal 6
140g - Nutriject Turkey Chili
150g - Lanas Egg Whites
3 - Lundburg rice cakes (14g per)
75g - Asparagus



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Tuesday August 25th Update:


Everything has really started to pick up the last several days, not only seeing changes day to day but throughout the same day morning to night visible changes have been seen. We are doing a carb refeed as the day goes today, this is the benefit of being able to be in person with Dallas and see meal to meal response so initially the plan that I have laid out is to increase the total carbs prior to training through his first three meals from the 96g of carbs that he had yesterday to 265g of carbs pre training today. Which for someone of Dallas size realistically speaking is not a lot but we are looking at just a small window of time here and secondly we are training back tomorrow so part 2 of our plan if needed is to put more in following training leading into tomorrow.


Plan for now leading up through training


Meal 1:
80g - oats raw measure
2 slices food for life bread
38g - organic all fruit jam
300g - egg whites
2 whole eggs (poached) - just a personal preference thing
3g - omega 3


Meal 2
7oz - Bison Flank Steak
270g - Jasmine rice cooked
40g - Avocado
75g - Spinach


Meal 3 - Pre training Meal
7oz - Chicken cooked
270g - Jasmine rice



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Two back to back higher days yielded the result we were looking for by far the best look this prep was seen this morning, so now its back to pushing this look a bit. Really eliminating as many variables as we can and knowing what works for Dallas and he digests the best so as you will see this diet is very basic.


Thursday Aug 27 Diet Changes




Meal 1
170g Nutriject 99% Turkey (chili style)
200g Egg Whites
80g oats raw measure
3g omega 3


Meal 2
300g sweet potato cooked
224g Chicken cooked


Meal 3
210g Jasmine rice cooked
224g Chicken cooked


Meal 4 - Post training
60g whey isolate
80g cream of rice raw measure


Meal 5
300g sweet potato cooked
112g turkey cooked
112g chicken cooked


Meal 6
224g chicken cooked
85g asparagus


Meal 7
170g Nutriject 99% Turkey (chili style)
200g Egg Whites
85g asparagus



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Diet and training update:


Things have not changed much at all but just keeping you guys posted on all of the current variables


Training Split:
Quad focused Leg Day alternated with Posterior focused leg day (glutes and hamstring emphasis)
Chest and Triceps
Back and Rear Delts
Shoulders and Arms
Rinse and repeat.


Diet:


Meal 1
80g - Oats
200g - Egg Whites
170g - 99% ground turkey or tenderloin cooked


Meal 2
300g - Cooked Sweet Potato
224g - Cooked Chicken breast


Meal 3 - Pre training
210g - Jasmine Rice cooked
280g - Cooked white fish (not sitting well, will be sticking with 224g Chicken moving forward)


Meal 4 - Post workout
80g - Cream of Rice
60g - Whey Isolate


Meal 5
300g - Cooked Sweet Potato
112g - Cooked Chicken breast
112g - Cooked turkey breast


Meal 6
224g - Chicken cooked
85g - Asparagus


Meal 7: Omelet
200g - Egg Whites
140g - 99% ground turkey cooked
85g - Asparagus


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Current Diet for today (this has been his intake for Wed Sept 9th - Today)

Meal 1
150g Oats raw measure
200g Egg Whites Raw Measure
170g Turkey or chicken cooked

Meal 2
224g - Chicken Cooked
400g - sweet potato cooked

Meal 3
280g Jasmine Rice
224g Turkey or chicken cooked OR 280g Cooked Tilapia

Meal 4
60g Whey Isolate
120g COR
***This meal will be in through Monday

Meal 5
280g Jasmine Rice
4oz Chicken
4oz Turkey

Meal 6
224g Turkey or chicken cooked OR 280g Cooked Tilapia
250g Sweet Potato cooked

Meal 7
400g Egg Whites



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6 Days Out

Everything is on track and essentially down to the exact number in terms of goals and more importantly look correlating with those numbers that we had set out for this stage of the game. The goal is to continue to slowly fill out over the next 6 days and not overfill early, keeping him semi flat upon waking. 6 days out we do not need skin splitting pumps upon waking. Tomorrow will be our last day in Kentucky prior to flying out and getting things set up in Vegas on Monday.

We trained Chest today, very effective and to the point type training today. (Currently making a video which I will upload with some high points, only thing not filmed was a heavy incline drop set where I could not film as I was helping pull plates which is how we started the workout following the Incline fly variation that you will see in the video)

Since there was a question asked about calculations this is how i have been calculating Dallas Nutrition all prep through MFP. See below for todays diet.

Meal 1
Nordic Naturals - Omega - 3 Fish Oil (capsules), 3 soft gel	27	0g	3g	0g	0mg	0mg	0g	0g
Roundy's - Quick Oatmeal, Grams, 150 g	538	100g	10g	19g	0mg	0mg	0g	15g
Lana's Egg Whites - Egg Whites 100% Pure and Natural, 300 g	148	2g	0g	32g	0mg	492mg	2g	0g
Egg, whole, raw, fresh, 3 large	215	1g	14g	19g	558mg	213mg	1g	0g
Meal 2
Usda - Bison Top Sirloin Broiled (Grams), 112.0 g	192	0g	6g	31g	96mg	59mg	0g	0g
Generic - Chicken Breast (Cooked In Grams) , 112 g	151	0g	1g	34g	0mg	166mg	0g	0g
Usda (Corrected) - Baked Sweet Potato In Skin, 500 g	450	104g	1g	10g	0mg	1,220mg	32g	17g
Meal 3 - Pre training and post workout
Nature's Promise - Organic Jasmine Rice-frozen (Grams), 280 g	355	79g	0g	6g	0mg	0mg	0g	2g
Generic - Chicken Breast (Cooked In Grams) , 224 g	302	0g	3g	69g	0mg	332mg	0g	0g
True Protein - Cold Filtered 30g, 50 g	188	1g	0g	45g	0mg	74mg	0g	0g
Uncle Bens - Cream of Rice (Grams), 100 g	356	80g	0g	7g	0mg	0mg	0g	0g
Trader Joe's - Organic Raw Honey (Grams), 40 g	114	32g	0g	0g	0mg	0mg	30g	0g
Meal 4 - Post workout whole foods meal when hungry
Nature's Promise - Organic Jasmine Rice-frozen (Grams), 350 g	444	99g	0g	7g	0mg	0mg	0g	2g
Usda - Ground Turkey Fat Free (99% Lean) Pan Broiled, 224 g	337	0g	6g	71g	158mg	137mg	0g	0g
Meal 5
Generic - Asparagus (Raw) , 85 g	17	3g	0g	2g	0mg	2mg	2g	2g
Usda (Corrected) - Baked Sweet Potato In Skin, 350 g	315	72g	1g	7g	0mg	854mg	23g	12g
Generic - Chicken Breast (Cooked In Grams) , 112 g	151	0g	1g	34g	0mg	166mg	0g	0g
Usda - Bison Top Sirloin Broiled (Grams), 112.0 g	192	0g	6g	31g	96mg	59mg	0g	0g
Meal 6
Generic - Asparagus (Raw) , 85 g	17	3g	0g	2g	0mg	2mg	2g	2g
Lana's Egg Whites - Egg Whites 100% Pure and Natural, 300 g	148	2g	0g	32g	0mg	492mg	2g	0g
Egg, whole, raw, fresh, 2 large	143	1g	10g	13g	372mg	142mg	0g	0g

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I would say that yesterday overall went about as flawless as a trip could go. We arrived to the airport in Louisville really early in attempts to be as laid back as possible and everything went according to plan. Flight arrived a bit early in vegas, car rental was a breeze, no hiccups getting to the hotel, in all honestly could not have asked for much more.

Dallas water balance on the trip yesterday was great as well no issues there, he just continued to drink throughout the flights and we arrived essentially un harmed with his water balance being at a normal level for PM.

Here was his diet from yesterday and this is going to be pretty much par for the course going forward with making adjustments to amounts based off of need.

September 14, 2015

FOODS	Calories	Carbs	Fat	Protein	Cholest	Sodium	Sugars	Fiber
Meal 1
Nordic Naturals - Omega - 3 Fish Oil (capsules), 3 soft gel	27	0g	3g	0g	0mg	0mg	0g	0g
Lana's Egg Whites - Egg Whites 100% Pure and Natural, 300 g	148	2g	0g	32g	0mg	492mg	2g	0g
Egg, whole, raw, fresh, 3 large	215	1g	14g	19g	558mg	213mg	1g	0g
Roundy's - Quick Oatmeal, Grams, 150 g	538	100g	10g	19g	0mg	0mg	0g	15g
Meal 2
Usda - Bison Top Sirloin Broiled (Grams), 194 g	332	0g	11g	54g	167mg	103mg	0g	0g
Nature's Promise - Organic Jasmine Rice-frozen (Grams), 350 g	444	99g	0g	7g	0mg	0mg	0g	2g
Generic - Asparagus (Raw) , 85 g	17	3g	0g	2g	0mg	2mg	2g	2g
Meal 3
Generic - Chicken Breast (Cooked In Grams) , 194 g	261	0g	3g	59g	0mg	287mg	0g	0g
Generic - Asparagus (Raw) , 85 g	17	3g	0g	2g	0mg	2mg	2g	2g
Usda (Corrected) - Baked Sweet Potato In Skin, 450 g	405	93g	1g	9g	0mg	1,098mg	29g	15g
Meal 4
Nature's Promise - Organic Jasmine Rice-frozen (Grams), 350 g	444	99g	0g	7g	0mg	0mg	0g	2g
Generic - Asparagus (Raw) , 85 g	17	3g	0g	2g	0mg	2mg	2g	2g
Usda - Bison Top Sirloin Broiled (Grams), 194 g	332	0g	11g	54g	167mg	103mg	0g	0g
Meal 5
Generic - Asparagus (Raw) , 85 g	17	3g	0g	2g	0mg	2mg	2g	2g
Usda (Corrected) - Baked Sweet Potato In Skin, 450 g	405	93g	1g	9g	0mg	1,098mg	29g	15g
Generic - Chicken Breast (Cooked In Grams) , 194 g	261	0g	3g	59g	0mg	287mg	0g	0g
Uncle Bens - Cream of Rice (Grams), 120 g	427	96g	0g	8g	0mg	0mg	0g	0g
True Protein - Cold Filtered 30g, 50 g	188	1g	0g	45g	0mg	74mg	0g	0g
Meal 6
Usda - Bison Top Sirloin Broiled (Grams), 194 g	332	0g	11g	54g	167mg	103mg	0g	0g
Generic - Asparagus (Raw) , 85 g	17	3g	0g	2g	0mg	2mg	2g	2g
TOTAL:	4,844	599g	68g	445g	1,059mg	3,868mg	71g	59g

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Credit by Matt Jansen for MD. com

[AndryPata90]

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[menphisdaemon]

@ Alberto
Sono un po' pieno di lavoro, ma ho dato un'occhiata veloce alle quote, ad ogni modo è un pezzo che seguo Jansen e un ragazzo che seguo è stato seguito da lui.
Di solito non ciclizza, qui pensavo ad un natural Peaking, metodo molto in voga in USA, in realtà le kcal sono abbastanza costanti, ma diminuisce fats e alza le pro. Segno che questo così scende...

Secondo me sta spingendo su integrazione e tiroidei in particolare detta in soldoni...

Non penso vada in spillover perché lo ha sott'occhio, poi non sappiamo se fa una ricarica a salire o scalare...il 14 è a 6 giorni


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[Flame(]

[Alberto84]