creatina monoidrata decanoato

[shernon]

che razza di forma di creatina è? l'ho vista in questo prodotto della BIOGENETIX : CREATINE D2T
Ingredienti: creatina monoidrata etil estere, creatina monoidrata akg, creatina monoidrata decanoato, estratto di cannella, estratto di vitis vinifera, estratto di opuntia, acidi grassi a catena media. Componenti la caplet: calcio difosfato, magnesio stearato, sorbitolo, polidestrosio, acido stearico, sodio alginato, gomma xantano

[Deadlift]

il decanoato dovrebbe essere un estere lungo, dovrebbe garantire una cessione prolungata dei principi attivi se legati a degli amino.

Però a quanto ho capito quando assunti per via orale, gli esteri hanno tutti vita corta, altro che cessione prolungata.
di più non so, o si tratta della nuova bufala oppure può essere una bella scoperta.

[grandemino]

che razza di forma di creatina è? l'ho vista in questo prodotto della BIOGENETIX : CREATINE D2T
Ingredienti: creatina monoidrata etil estere, creatina monoidrata akg, creatina monoidrata decanoato, estratto di cannella, estratto di vitis vinifera, estratto di opuntia, acidi grassi a catena media. Componenti la caplet: calcio difosfato, magnesio stearato, sorbitolo, polidestrosio, acido stearico, sodio alginato, gomma xantano

sembra una tanica di benzina

[Fakez]

ahaha più che altro una confezione di olio motore

Hmm c'era uno (o fose più) studio che spiegava come le robe decanoate erano più che altro una fregatura, se ti fidi bene sennò te lo cerco

[shernon]

mi fido ma VORREI saperne di piu..e poi da quando cè questo tipo di creatina? mai sentita..

[Fakez]

Copio e incollo da un altro forum (non so se si può linkare altri forum quà appartenenti ad altri shop usa).

Chris/Gym God PM'd discussing the validity/efficacy of the decanoate esters. So I decided to turn it in to full blown review as the Biogenetix products are becoming more visible and even had a booth at the Arnold. Let's start of by using the term "deca ester" sure sounds good to the newbie...much like using Test-, -bol, -drol,-strol, or even the classics like "extreme", "X-treme", "hardcore", "ultra", etc.

Back to decanoate. It is an ester that Test or Deca (hence its name...from the nandralone) can be bound to. With test, I talked to Bill Llewelyn last weekend and he stated Cypionate or Enanthate are the best forms for efficacy.

Most steroids are bound to propionate, enanthate, decanoate, cypionate, etc. These slow down the quick release steroids like test. susp. or winstrol that require more frequent injections. Some other IM injection drugs use these esters such as Haldol (psychoactive) or Prolixin (psychoactive).

Decanoic acid is a carboxylic acid (carboxyl group, polar, forms hydrogen bonds with each other, reacts with bases)...when a salt or ester (organic compound in which an organic group replaces the hydrogen in a hydroxyl group) is made it is then called decanoate. Esters are similar to salts except with a general salt it is a cation (+) and anion (-) union. Esters are present all through nature and most of the smells you know from fruits, plants, etc. are the ester molecules.

Now, the question of Creatine bonded to "deca" or other amino acids has been asked, due to the marketing of a company carried by (and I believe owned by GNC)...Biogenetix.

Quote:Originally Posted by biogenetix
AMERICA'S STRONGEST FAT BURNER? utilizes the very latest in thermogenic technology. Bioburn-D2T?'s incredibly potent formulation packs the punch that only binding the decanoate ester to tyrosine could hit you with. Its exclusive ingredients are delivered throughout the day, and their bioavailabilty is significantly upgraded via its exclusive pharmaceutical drug delivery system.

Pharmaceutical drug delivery system? Right.

Quote:Originally Posted by biogenetix
NO-D2T? is America's strongest nitric oxide, bonding arginine to the decanoate ester is how this heavy duty formula delivers a steady supply of nitric oxide (NO) to your system throughout the day to unleash the power of increased pumps and rapid recovery. There's never been another NO supplement that nardnesses the power of science for such awesome results.*

BTW, what is nardnesses?

Quote:Originally Posted by biogenetix
Only Creatine-D2T?, America's strongest creatine?, utilizes a triple-release technology consisting of an immediate, intermediate and sustained release component to facilitate rapid muscle growth. This process is achieved by bonding a decanoate ester to creatine. With Creatine-D2T?, you'll build more muscle and gain more strength in less time.*

Now, since more than half of the molecular weight is in fact the decanoate ester and not the creatine...you'd have to hope that this form is more than 2x as effective (and that doesn't factor in cost at all...CM can just be dosed higher for pennies). So, is it more effective. Well, the ester makes it lipophilic (use van de Walls forces and basically its means "likes fat"). Therefore, this specific ester has a longer half-life endogenously due to it being attracted to the fatty tissue/adipose.

OK, now you may be thinking its a long acting form of arginine, creatine, or tyrosine. Although, this is a point worth discussing. Is that even what you desire? The longer acting it is, the more (dramatically more) would need to be dosed to ellicit an acute response such as NO type effects. Besides that issue, if long-acting is what you desire...here's the kicker...

Decanoate is meant to be injected. All the data I have presented is as such. It is fully illogical to extrapolate those chemical properties of IM medications and steroids to creatine and amino acids take orally. Further, creatine and amino acids have great absorption rates (depending on the scenario endogenously). It's value is poor, its science is worse. You will have to use more than twice as much to get the same effect as creatine monohydrate or Arginine HCl or Tyrosine HCl.

Stupid. You betcha. Wait, it gets better. Besides overpaying for oil cans with half as potent pills there's safety issues.

http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Decanoic_Acid-9923668

Here's the MSDS on decanoic acid a.k.a capric acid (not bonded, but then it does become unbonded internally, breaking apart from the creatine, arginine or tyrosine)...so I am unsure as to how much of an issue this is. Further, the MSDS is talking about the acid as a liquid. Nonetheless, it lists it as hazardous to skin, eye, inhalation and ingestion. It says it has proven carcinogenic effects? Hmm.

The LD50 (lethal dose for 50% of the tested animal) is 3-4g/kg or 300-400g. That's extrapolated and not converted for metabolic differences. So, huh, again. This would equate to less than 1kg of creatine decanoate.

I've had trouble finding any of the IM esters toxicity/safety data to extrapolate the comsumption of the bound salt. Nevertheless, he we stand.

Why would you use this product at all?

Its rhetorical and deeply sarcastic. Bottom line don't use this garbage and be offended that these companies continue to try and scam you.

Ah guarda che carina la scheda dell'acido linkata

Dimenticavo: cmq poi è da vedere in realtà com'è il loro effetto visto che leggevo di chi ha provato il relativo prodotto nutrabolics ed è rimasto abbastanza soddisfatto.