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il dubbio ora è: dare retta a di pasquale che comunque è un medico laureato, oppure dare retta a tartufone che NON si sa quale titolo abbia per poter confutare le teorie di un medico?a voi l'ardua sentenza!
il dubbio ora è: dare retta a di pasquale che comunque è un medico laureato, oppure dare retta a tartufone che NON si sa quale titolo abbia per poter confutare le teorie di un medico?a voi l'ardua sentenza!
oppure farti un pò di esperienza ed evitare di dare giudizi verso persone che nn conosci?
ALLORA erudiscici con le tue confutazioni sul perché i grassi dopo l'allenamento non vanno assunti!e dico una spiegazione seria, per vederci chiaro su questo argomento in modo tale da verificare se le teorie di di pasquale sono giuste
tu devi essere un fake di quel mongoloide di dago85(o di un altro fenomeno)
spero di sbagliarmi..
perchè verrebbero stoccati in deposito molto molto facilmente,sopratutto in un natural.
nn ha senso assumere un qualcosa come i grassi, che con l'esercizio fisico siamo andati a smaltire.
poi tu segui chi vuoi per carità,ma nn venire ad usare sto tono per cortesia,che nn se lo permette neanche la gente più preparata qua dentro.
A detta del dott. Di Pasquale una volta adattati ai grassi si possono, anzi andrebbero inseriti anche post wo.....The anabolic solution rulez
Io ho sempre saputo che, in ambito natural, post workout (< 15-30 minuti dal workout), vanno prese proteine a rilascio veloce (isolate) e carbo a veloce assorbimento e ad alto IG
Dopo, il pasto successivo (magari la cena), mangi come da piano (quindi anche coi grassi, specialmente se sei in lowcarb).
se si riportano confutazioni altrettanto suffragate da materiale scientifico!così campate in aria, basandosi solo su esperienze personali, valgono meno di zero, generano confusione nella mente di giovani ragazzi che cercano consigli da persone che ne sanno meno di loro
Si accede al "Lyle McDonald BodyOpus FAQ" dove si legge (evidenzio le parti che mi sembra rispondano alla domanda):
10d. What do you eat at each meal? Understand that I only followed
Dan's recomposition plans during the first weekend. After that it
was eat until I got water retentive (NOT anal retentive although that
applies to me as well) and then stopped. Depending on how much I
pigged out, it happened anywhere from 24-30 hours after I started
carbing. Dan gives general food categories during recomposition but
no specific examples. Here's some excerpts for a diet I set up for
a competitive bodybuilder in Texas. Again, not giving you the numbers,
just examples of food choices for each of the meals.
Meals 1-4: liquid simple sugars with added soluble protein
Ultra Fuel (glucose polymers with some fructose since I have yet to
find a pure glucose powder, I've been told Carboplex is pure maltodextrin
but I can't seem to find it at the local health food store). It's too bad that
the nasty glucose solution they use for the oral glucose tolerance test
isn't commercially available. It would be a perfect, albeit nasty tasting,
substance to consume.
For protein: A soluble protein powder. I use Designer but any will do.
Meals 5-8: liquid simple sugars and solid high GI carbs (i.e. corn flakes)
More ultra fuel with Designer protein
Some type of grain cereal cereal. All are high in sugars so I'm not
sure if corn flakes would be exceedingly better than Lucky Charms
as long as the amounts were equal.
Meals 9-12: starches with liquid simple sugars
Ultra fuel/designer for liquids
baked potatos, rice, whole wheat bread for starches, you could probably
get away with higher GI foods like rice cakes and grain type bars
this early in the carb up since insulin sensitivity is still high
Second 24 hours:
Meals 1-4: more solid carbs and proteins
rice or potatoes and chicken or tuna would be good starch choice
Meals 5-8: relatively normal food (rice, potatoes, pasta)
Still sticking with rice/potatoes etc.
Meals 9-12: high GI liquid carbs
Revert back to Ultra fuel with protein powder
I talked about supplementation of vanadyl, chromium, and magnesium
during last week's FAQ. Sufficed to say you need to take all three
during the carb up to ensure maximal glycogen supercompensation.
If creatine is your thing, during the recarb is a good time to use it.
I can't since it makes me sick. Maybe I'll try it again some point.
11e. How much fat should I consume and when should I eat it?
This question actually came up on Paul Moses' Training and Nutrition
list. I hadn't really thought about it before but had to to try and
answer it. As far as amounts, in passing (the last sentence of
the recomposition chapter in Bodyopus) Dan recommends an intake
of Essential Fatty acids of 15% of your maintenance caloric intake.
Let's figure maintenance for most of you animals at 3000 calories.
15% is 450 calories or 50 grams of fat for each 24 hours.
Here's the conundrum. The point of the recomposition is to crank
lots of carbs into the muscles along with high insulin levels to
stimulate an anabolic growth response. And, Dan mentioned that
the lack or presence of fat can break or make the carb-up. So.
no getting around it, we have to take some in.
But, we know that the addition of fat to a meal will slow gastric
emptying and lower the insulin response to a given amount of
carbs. A real dilemma. I *think* I have the solution.
We know several other things:
1. Immediately after the depletion workout, insulin sensitivity is
super high so we can have (and need) super high insulin levels to
take advantage. So, we don't really want the fat here. (On which note,
I wonder if it's really important to take vanadyl, etc with these first
meals. Insulin sensitivity is sky high and they might not even be
needed.)
2. Right before stopping the carb up, we want to get an insulin
spike to cause hypoglycemia. Fat taken in here would limit the
insulin response. So, none during these meals.
3. The middle meals are when we are taking in considerable
amounts of carbs but insulin sensitivity is lower. So, slowing
digestion and lowering the insulin response would likely be a good
thing to avoid fat spillover. The fat goes here.
So, for the 24 meals of the recarb, I would suggest:
Meals 1-4: no fat
Meals 5-8: 1/8 of your daily fat intake with each meal (about 5-6
grams or a bit more than 1 teaspoon for the example person above)
Meal 9-12: 1/8 of your daily fat intake with each meal
Meal 13-16: 1/8 of your daily fat intake with each meal
Meal 17-20: 1/8 of your faily fat intake with each meal
Meal 21-24: no fat.
I could see some rationale for putting more of the fat on meals 9-12
instead of 5-8 since insulin sensitivity *should* be higher earlier
on but, for now, I think the above recommendations should be fine.
Il discorso è diverso di DI PAsquale ha ragione ma li stesso dice "una volta COMPLETAMENTE adattati, ma ti va di rischiare sull'adattamento? sei sicuro di essere adattato al 100% o , dato ke il risultato NON CAMBIA DI UNA VIRGOLA a livello anabolico (o ben poco se nn a livelli da GARA e nn mi sembrano i casi indicati...x nulla)....
il rischio è mooooooooolto elevato dato i meccanismi di uptake insulino indipendenti.
è moooooooooooolto più intelligente tamponare il cortisolo e fornire AA con Whey e gluta e un ora dopo fare il proprio pasto...
poi ANDRIO, uno ke kiede quante kcal brucia con un wo postando la scheda dimostra, perdonami, una tale ignoranza da nn potersi neppure permettere di confutare utenti con ben altra esperienza....
sigpic10000 Crunch nn servono a un Caxxo, Questo è il Recordman...6 ore al gg x 6 mesi si è allenato...ANVEDI A PANZA......
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