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  • spot86
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    Originariamente Scritto da leon_83 Visualizza Messaggio
    Ah ok....l'avevo messo nel 1 spuntino xke' a colazza tra gainer e cereali c sn un fottio d vitamine.....

    Per il fatto del latte di soya e della tiroide sai qlcs?
    Effects of Soy Protein and Soybean Isoflavones on Thyroid Function in Healthy Adults and Hypothyroid Patients: A Review of the Relevant Literature
    Mark Messina, Ph.D.
    Department of Nutrition, School of Public Health, Loma Linda University, Loma Linda, California.
    Nutrition Matters, Inc., Port Townsend, Washington.
    Geoffrey Redmond
    Hormone Center of New York, New York, New York.
    Soy foods are a traditional staple of Asian diets but because of their purported health benefits they have become popular in recent years among non-Asians, especially postmenopausal women. There are many bioactive soybean components that may contribute to the hypothesized health benefits of soy but most attention has focused on the isoflavones, which have both hormonal and nonhormonal properties. However, despite the possible benefits concerns have been expressed that soy may be contraindicated for some subsets of the population. One concern is that soy may adversely affect thyroid function and interfere with the absorption of synthetic thyroid hormone. Thus, the purpose of this review is to evaluate the relevant literature and provide the clinician guidance for advising their patients about the effects of soy on thyroid function. In total, 14 trials (thyroid function was not the primary health outcome in any trial) were identified in which the effects of soy foods or isoflavones on at least one measure of thyroid function was assessed in presumably healthy subjects; eight involved women only, four involved men, and two both men and women. With only one exception, either no effects or only very modest changes were noted in these trials. Thus, collectively the findings provide little evidence that in euthyroid, iodine-replete individuals, soy foods, or isoflavones adversely affect thyroid function. In contrast, some evidence suggests that soy foods, by inhibiting absorption, may increase the dose of thyroid hormone required by hypothyroid patients. However, hypothyroid adults need not avoid soy foods. In addition, there remains a theoretical concern based on in vitro and animal data that in individuals with compromised thyroid function and/or whose iodine intake is marginal soy foods may increase risk of developing clinical hypothyroidism. Therefore, it is important for soy food consumers to make sure their intake of iodine is adequate.

    ..cmq si conclude che finché l'intake di IODIO rimane "adeguato", non dovrebbero esserci problemi per chi consuma alimenti a base di soia..

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    • leon_83
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      Originariamente Scritto da spot86 Visualizza Messaggio
      Effects of Soy Protein and Soybean Isoflavones on Thyroid Function in Healthy Adults and Hypothyroid Patients: A Review of the Relevant Literature
      Mark Messina, Ph.D.
      Department of Nutrition, School of Public Health, Loma Linda University, Loma Linda, California.
      Nutrition Matters, Inc., Port Townsend, Washington.
      Geoffrey Redmond
      Hormone Center of New York, New York, New York.
      Soy foods are a traditional staple of Asian diets but because of their purported health benefits they have become popular in recent years among non-Asians, especially postmenopausal women. There are many bioactive soybean components that may contribute to the hypothesized health benefits of soy but most attention has focused on the isoflavones, which have both hormonal and nonhormonal properties. However, despite the possible benefits concerns have been expressed that soy may be contraindicated for some subsets of the population. One concern is that soy may adversely affect thyroid function and interfere with the absorption of synthetic thyroid hormone. Thus, the purpose of this review is to evaluate the relevant literature and provide the clinician guidance for advising their patients about the effects of soy on thyroid function. In total, 14 trials (thyroid function was not the primary health outcome in any trial) were identified in which the effects of soy foods or isoflavones on at least one measure of thyroid function was assessed in presumably healthy subjects; eight involved women only, four involved men, and two both men and women. With only one exception, either no effects or only very modest changes were noted in these trials. Thus, collectively the findings provide little evidence that in euthyroid, iodine-replete individuals, soy foods, or isoflavones adversely affect thyroid function. In contrast, some evidence suggests that soy foods, by inhibiting absorption, may increase the dose of thyroid hormone required by hypothyroid patients. However, hypothyroid adults need not avoid soy foods. In addition, there remains a theoretical concern based on in vitro and animal data that in individuals with compromised thyroid function and/or whose iodine intake is marginal soy foods may increase risk of developing clinical hypothyroidism. Therefore, it is important for soy food consumers to make sure their intake of iodine is adequate.

      ..cmq si conclude che finché l'intake di IODIO rimane "adeguato", non dovrebbero esserci problemi per chi consuma alimenti a base di soia..

      Azz....grzie mille Spot......

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      • leon_83
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        Colazione:400ml latte soya+75gr gainer+100gr cereali integr.
        Spuntino:200gr fiocchi di latte+100gr wasa
        Pre w.o.:50gr maltodex o succo di mela o mele+10gr gluta
        Post w.o.:30gr pro+60gr vitargo+5gr d-ribosio+10gr gluta+1gr vit c.
        Pranzo:150gr carne rossa+150gr riso integr.+10gr olio+verdure+multivit
        Cena:200ml albume+1 uovo int.+10gr olio+6gr w3+verdure
        Spuntino:30gr caseine+20gr nocciole

        Gambe
        Squat 4x6
        Leg press 4x6-6-8-8
        Leg ext 3x10 + 2x20
        Femoral press 4x8-8-10-10
        Leg curl 3x10 + 2x20

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          Colazione:400ml latte soya+75gr gainer+150gr cereali integr.
          Spuntino:200gr fiocchi di latte+100gr wasa
          Pre w.o.:500gr mele+10gr gluta
          Post w.o.:30gr pro+60gr vitargo+5gr d-ribosio+10gr gluta+1gr vit c.
          Pranzo:150gr carne rossa+200gr riso integr.+10gr olio+verdure+multivit
          Cena:200ml albume+1 uovo int.+50gr pane di segale+10gr olio+6gr w3+verdure
          Spuntino:30gr caseine+20gr nocciole

          Allenamento

          Spalle-Polpacci
          Distensione 2 man. 4x6
          Tirate al mento 3x8
          Alzate lat. a 90° 3x10
          Arnold press 2x15
          Donkey 4x20
          calf seduto 4x25


          Ragzzi volevo sapere una cosa,nella dieta devo conteggiare normalmente le proteine dei cereali?Visto che cmq sn di scarsa qualita e sn presenti in circa 30-35 gr nella dieta?
          E le fibre?pure vanno conteggiate come carbo normali?

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          • spot86
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            proteine tutte, tutte. cereali, carni, verdure, frutta..tutte.


            per quanto riguarda le fibre, le tabelle già le tolgono

            voglio dire..esempio con numeri a caso:

            verdura 1 da tabella: 20kcal 1g prot, 4g chos, 0g grassi, 4 g fibra.
            cioè fibra e chos son trattati separatamente.

            se mangi 100g di verdura 1 avrai assunto 4g di carboidrati digeribili e 4 di fibra.
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            • leon_83
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              Originariamente Scritto da spot86 Visualizza Messaggio
              proteine tutte, tutte. cereali, carni, verdure, frutta..tutte.


              per quanto riguarda le fibre, le tabelle già le tolgono

              voglio dire..esempio con numeri a caso:

              verdura 1 da tabella: 20kcal 1g prot, 4g chos, 0g grassi, 4 g fibra.
              cioè fibra e chos son trattati separatamente.

              se mangi 100g di verdura 1 avrai assunto 4g di carboidrati digeribili e 4 di fibra.
              Ok....capitomi era venuto il dubbio perche' leggevo alcune persone che le pro nn complete,o cmq nn "nobili"le conteggiano x meta' o addirittura nn le conteggiano,e volevo capire il senso.
              Per le fibre nn sempre le tabelle le escludono a priori,ma le includono nei carbo
              ad esempio x un alimento amidaceo srivono: carbo 70gr di cui fibre 18gr...
              siccome attualmente mi sono capitatte qst tabelle,e mangio circa 40gr di fibre....volevo sapere come fare..

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