Luna Caprese Insegnaci !!!

**mr.dreams** · 05-06-2007, 21:02:49

l'assistenza è già fatta di sole 4 serie x gruppo...

**kickboxer_87** · 05-06-2007, 21:32:52

intendevo a settimana, cmq al limite puoi tenere rec di 1.30" o 1' così carichi di meno, stressi di meno il snc e recuperi prima

**Luna Caprese** · 05-06-2007, 22:01:05

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anzi se

seguirei una cosa simile, con 8 sets x tre esercizi del ciclo di forza (rematore, panca, squat) + le assistenze che sono 16 sets, in totale verrebbe fuori un allenamento con 40 serie!!!!!

1° sett.
lun. 1x8 50% , 1x6 60% , 1x5 70% , 5x3 80%
merc. 1x8 50% , 1x6 60% , 1x5 70% , 2x3 80% , 2x2 85%
ven. come lunedì
2° sett.
lun. 1x8 50% , 1x6 60% , 1x5 70% , 2x3 80% , 2x2 85% , 1x2 90%
merc. come lun. 1° sett.
ven. 1x8 50% , 1x6 60% , 1x5 70% , 2x3 80% , 2x2 85% , 1x2 90% , 1x1 95%
3° sett.
lun. come lun. 1° sett.
merc. 1x8 50% , 1x6 60% , 1x5 70% , 2x3 80% , 2x2 85% , 1x2 90% , 1x2 95% , 1x1 97%
ven. come lun. 1° sett.
4°sett.
lun. : si fa il test sui massimali : 1x8 50% , 1x6 60% , 1x3 70% , 1x3 80% , 1x1 85% , 1x1 90% , 1x1 95% e poi si prosegue per "singole" fino al fallimento dell' alzata

non sò per voi ma per motivi di tempo e di energia mi sembra impossibile....come si potrebbe semplificare il tutto?

facendo un altra cosa

p.s. a parte gli scherzi se non ce la fai cerca qualche altro programma

**mr.dreams** · 05-06-2007, 22:29:29

peccato mi sembrava un'ottima programmazione...forse, se fosse stata studiata ed impostata meglio la fase forza, lo sarebbe stata...

**kickboxer_87** · 06-06-2007, 09:59:10

dreams a questo punto se fossi in luna ti manderei a cagare.
prima gli rompi il caxxo per 12 pagine e poi stressi avanti,... ma che ***** credi, che non abbia meglio da fare che star dietro a te?

ma per favore...

**mr.dreams** · 06-06-2007, 10:50:28

ma come si faranno a fare 40 serie in un allenamento boh.... semplicemente secondo me la fase forza è stata progettata male e ci sono volute ben 12 pagine per riuscire a sapere la struttura completa del programma fra i perpiacere e perfavore...

**kickboxer_87** · 06-06-2007, 17:00:26

come ho detto più volte sull'altro forum ce ne saranno 50 di pagg. su queste robe... e c'era pure gente che seguiva per filo e per segno quella programmazione...
sul "come" x la fase di forza non so, io penserei anche a smezzare le sedute facendo mattina e sera... certo, non tutti ne hanno la possibilità

ps: cmq due allenamenti fa ho fatto 5+6+2+5+6+2+6+2= 33 set abb pesanti+abs e calf... vedi che se uno taglia i rec' dove può ce la fa... max 1h45' ma anche meno

**mr.dreams** · 07-06-2007, 22:40:22

purtroppo sull'altro forum non sono riuscito a farmi un'idea chiara della fase forza forse perchè non ho trovato abbastanza materiale...tu che sei alla grande più esperto di me come sono strutturati altri cicli di forza? sono sempre incluse le assistenze? possibile che si debbano fare tutte quelle serie...cmq non credo più di tanto che le assistenze siano cosi fondamentali,voglio dire con 21 serie di panca alla settimana credo che la massa ai pettorali non si perda, è un pò come un mantenimento... sbaglio?

**kickboxer_87** · 08-06-2007, 01:08:11

no, imho non sbagli.
anche perchè c'è un po' di differenza tra bb natural e doped. questa io la vedo (come assistenze) per atleti aiutati dai farmaci.
i cicli di forza possono essere infiniti.
se hai paura di perdere massa allora fatti un west-side classico 4xweek per un paio di mesi, è il sistema + bbstyle che esista per la forza.
non per niente è amerregano

**mr.dreams** · 08-06-2007, 11:37:24

sapresti dirmi perpiacere dove posso trovarlo il west-side classico...

**kickboxer_87** · 08-06-2007, 12:17:18

google.com

**mr.dreams** · 08-06-2007, 13:23:21

purtroppo ho trovato parecchia roba ma alla fine non nè ho capito niente...tu non avresti un riassuntino pronto pronto per postarmelo vero?

cmq ho letto in varie discussioni che dicevano, compreso mau, che il west-side richiede più di 2 mesi per essere efficace e per dare risultati in termini di forza...e cmq perchè dici che è il sistema più bbstyle per la forza....a me pare uguale a tutti gli altri cicli, forse perchè non è ho capito veramente niente, cmq...

**kickboxer_87** · 08-06-2007, 13:36:49

può essere

essendo americano al 100% (tranne per la concezione di DE che viene dai russi, ma loro usano altre % e altri volumi) è parecchio influenzato da i weideriani.
tutta la roba dell'est (cioè i cicli di forza classici, che non sono i 3x3 ultratirati con 5' di rec... quella roba la fanno i bb deficienti) si basa su tutt'altro.
asp che ti trovo un programma per iniziare il ws.

**kickboxer_87** · 08-06-2007, 13:39:10

l'articolo l'ho scritto io tempo fa:

auguri...

Ecco il programma ws che dave tate dà a chi si interessa a questo tipo di approccio per la prima volta.
Ovviamente, come potrete vedere voi stessi, non è per novellini.
E' fatto per gente "fortarella", che nelle palestre che frequenta emerge prepotentemente dalla massa. Insomma, un uomo ben piazzato che fa 140/150kg si squat minimo,secondo me, potrà avere ottimi risultati. Se invece stiamo parlando del fratello sfigato di Calderoli allora ovviamente il mio consiglio è di dedicarsi a sistemi più semplici e per lui più produttivi.

Qua troverete i migliori articoli sul West-side. se qualcosa non vi è chiara cercate su t-nation.
http://www.westside-barbell.com/articles.htm

Ecco il programma: dura 8 settimane.

Week 1

Day 1 (max effort squat day) - LUN (MAR)
Good Mornings: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max.
Glute Ham Raises: 3 sets of 10 reps. Stress the eccentric, try to get a four count on they way down.
Reverse Hypers: 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
Pull Down Abs: 5 sets of 10 to 15 reps
Straight Leg Raises: 5 sets of 15 reps

Day 2 (max effort bench day) - MER (GIO)
Board Press: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max.
Lying Barbell tricep extensions: 6 sets of 10 reps
Push Downs: 3 sets of 10
One Arm Press: 3 sets of 15

Day 3 (dynamic effort squat day) - VEN (SAB)
Box Squats: 10 sets of 2 reps with 50% of 1RM (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
Reverse Hypers: 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
One Leg Squats: 4 sets of 10 with each leg
Dumbbell Rows: 4 sets of 6 reps
Barbell Shrugs: 3 sets of 15 reps

Day 4 (dynamic effort bench day) - DOM (LUN)
Bench Press: 10 sets of 3 reps with 60% of 1RM; use three different grips; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
Lying Dumbbell Tricep Extensions: 4 sets of 8 reps
Dumbbell Side Raises: 3 sets of 10 reps
Bent Over Dumbbell Side Raises: 3 sets of 10 rep

Week 2

Day 1 (max effort squat day)
Good Mornings: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
Glute Ham Raises: 3 sets of 8 reps. Stress the eccentric, try to get a four count on they way down.
Reverse Hypers : 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
Pull Down Abs: 5 sets of 10 to 15 reps
Straight Leg Raises: 3 sets of 20 reps

Day 2 (max effort bench day)
Board Press: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
Lying Barbell Tricep Extensions: 6 sets of 10 reps
Push Downs: 3 sets of 10
One Arm Press: 3 sets of 15

Day 3 (dynamic effort squat day)
Box Squats: 10 sets of 2 reps with 54 % of 1RM; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
Reverse Hypers: 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
One Leg Squats: 4 sets of 10 with each leg
Dumbbell Rows: 4 sets of 6 reps
Barbell Shrugs: 3 sets of 15 reps

Day 4 (dynamic effort bench day)
Bench Press: 10 sets of 3 reps with 60% of 1RM; use three different grips ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
Lying Dumbbell Tricep Extensions: 4 sets of 8 reps
Dumbbell Side Raises: 3 sets of 10 reps
Bent Over Dumbbell Side Raises: 3 sets of 10 reps

Week 3

Day 1 (max effort squat day)
Good Mornings: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
Glute Ham Raises: 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
Reverse Hypers : 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
Pull Down Abs: 5 sets of 10 to 15 reps
Straight Leg Raises: 3 sets of 20 reps

Day 2 (max effort bench day)
Board Press: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
Lying Barbell Tricep Extensions: 6 sets of 10 reps
Push Downs: 3 sets of 10
One Arm Press: 3 sets of 15

Day 3 (dynamic effort squat day)
Box Squats: 10 sets of 2 reps with 56 % of 1RM ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
Reverse Hypers: 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
One Leg Squats: 4 sets of 10 with each leg
Dumbbell Rows: 4 sets of 6 reps
Barbell Shrugs: 3 sets of 15 reps

Day 4 (dynamic effort bench day)
Bench Press: 10 sets of 3 reps with 60% of 1RM; use three different grips ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
Lying Dumbbell Tricep Extensions: 4 sets of 8 reps
Dumbbell Side Raises: 3 sets of 10 reps
Bent Over Dumbbell Side Raises: 3 sets of 10 reps

Week 4

Day 1 (max effort squat day)
Low Box Squat: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
Glute Ham Raise: 5 sets of 5 reps
Partial Deadlifts: 3 sets of 20 reps
Reverse Hypers: 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
Pull Down Abs: 5 sets of 10 to 15 reps

Day 2 (max effort bench day)
Floor Press: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
JM Press: work up to 2 sets of 3 reps
Incline Dumbbell Press: 2 sets of 10
Seated dumbbell Cleans: 4 sets of 8
Straight Leg Raises: 5 sets of 15

Day3 (dynamic effort squat day)
Box Squats: 10 sets of 2 reps with 60 % of 1RM ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
* after your sets of box squats work up to a heavy double. This is not a maximum attempt so do not miss the attempts.
Reverse Hypers: 5 sets of 8 reps
Chest supported Rows: 4 sets of 8 reps
Glute Ham Raise: 3 sets of 6 reps
Pull Down Abs: 5 sets of 10 reps

Day 4 (dynamic effort bench day)
Bench Press: 10 sets of 3 reps with 60% of 1RM; use three different grips ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
Close Grip Bench Press: work up to 2 sets of 3
One Arm Dumbbell Extensions: 3 sets of 10
Front Plate Raises: 3 sets of 10 reps

Week 5

Day 1 (max effort squat day)
Low Box Squat: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
Glute Ham Raise: 5 sets of 5 reps
Partial Deadlifts: 3 sets of 20 reps
Reverse Hypers: 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
Pull Down Abs: 5 sets of 10 to 15 reps

Day 2 (max effort bench day)
Floor Press: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
JM Press: work up to 2 sets of 3 reps
Incline Dumbbell Press: 2 sets of 10
Seated Dumbbell Cleans: 4 sets of 8
Straight Leg Raises: 5 sets of 15

Day 3 (dynamic effort squat day)
Box Squats: 10 sets of 2 reps with 50% of 1RM ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
Reverse Hypers: 5 sets of 8 reps
Chest supported Rows: 4 sets of 8 reps
Glute Ham Raise: 3 sets of 6 reps
Pull Down Abs: 5 sets of 10 reps

Day 4 (dynamic effort bench day)
Bench Press: 10 sets of 3 reps with 60% of 1RM; use three different grips ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
* after your sets of box squats work up to a heavy single. This is not a maximum attempt so do not miss the attempts.
Close Grip Bench Press: work up to 2 sets of 3
One Arm Dumbbell Extensions: 3 sets of 10
Front Plate Raises: 3 sets of 10 reps

Week 6

Day 1 (max effort squat day)
Low Box Squat: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
Glute Ham Raise: 5 sets of 5 reps
Partial Deadlifts: 3 sets of 20 reps
Reverse Hypers: 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
Pull Down Abs: 5 sets of 10 to 15 reps

Day 2 (max effort bench day)
Floor Press: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
JM Press: work up to 2 sets of 3 reps
Incline Dumbbell Press: 2 sets of 10
Seated dumbbell Cleans: 4 sets of 8
Straight Leg Raises: 5 sets of 15

Day 3 (dynamic effort squat day)
Box Squats: 10 sets of 2 reps with 52 % of 1RM ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
Reverse Hypers: 5 sets of 8 reps
Chest supported Rows: 4 sets of 8 reps
Glute Ham Raise: 3 sets of 6 reps
Pull Down Abs: 5 sets of 10 reps

Day 4 (dynamic effort bench day)
Bench Press: 10 sets of 3 reps with 60% of 1RM; use three different grips ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
Close Grip Bench Press: work up to 2 sets of 3
One Arm Dumbbell Extensions: 3 sets of 10
Front Plate Raises: 3 sets of 10 reps

Week 7

Day 1 (max effort squat day)
Good Morning Squats: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
Glute Ham Raise: 5 sets of 5 reps
Lunges: 4 sets of 10 reps (each leg)
Reverse Hypers: 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
Pull Down Abs: 5 sets of 10 to 15 reps

Day 2 (max effort bench day)
Ball Press: 3 sets of 20 reps (avg. rest period = 5 min)
Seated dumbbell Shoulder Press: 5 sets 10 reps
Incline Barbell Tricep Extensions: 5 sets 6 reps
face Pulls: 5 sets 15 reps

Day 3 (dynamic effort squat day)
Box Squats: 10 sets of 2 reps with 54 % of 1RM ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
* after your sets of box squats work up to a heavy double. This is not a maximum attempt so do not miss the attempts.
Reverse Hypers: 4 sets 8 reps
Pull Downs: 3 sets 8 reps
Glute Ham Raise: 4 sets 15 reps

Day 4 (dynamic effort bench day)
Bench Press: 10 sets of 3 reps with 60% of 1RM; use three different grips ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
* after your sets of box squats work up to a heavy single. This is not a maximum attempt so do not miss the attempts.
Dumbbell Tricep Extensions: 4 sets of 6 reps
Reverse Grip Push Downs: 3 sets of 15 reps
Front - Side - Rear Delt Combo Raise: 2 sets of 60 reps (20 each raise)
Pull Down Abs: 5 sets 10 reps

Week 8

Day 1 (max effort squat day)
Good Morning Squats: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
Glute Ham Raise: 5 sets of 5 reps
Lunges: 4 sets of 10 reps (each leg)
Reverse Hypers: 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
Pull Down Abs: 5 sets of 10 to 15 reps

Day 2 (max effort bench day)
Ball Press: 3 sets of 20 reps (avg. rest period = 5 min)
Seated dumbbell Shoulder Press: 5 sets 10 reps
Incline Barbell Tricep Extensions: 5 sets 6 reps
face Pulls: 5 sets 15 reps

Day 3 (dynamic effort squat day)
Box Squats: 10 sets of 2 reps with 62 % of 1RM ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
Reverse Hypers: 4 sets 8 reps
Pull Downs: 3 sets 8 reps
Glute Ham Raise: 4 sets 15 reps

Day 4 (dynamic effort bench day)
Bench Press: 10 sets of 3 reps with 60% of 1RM; use three different grips ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
Dumbbell Tricep Extensions: 4 sets of 6 reps
Reverse Grip Push Downs: 3 sets of 15 reps
Front - Side - Rear Delt Combo Raise: 2 sets of 60 reps (20 each raise)
Pull Down Abs: 5 sets 10 reps